The Real ‘Truth’ About the Academies

PUBLISHED OCTOBER 15, 2007

In its series on the Service Academies, Spectator has published two submissions: an ignorant, invective piece titled “The Truth About The Academies” by Idris Leppla, whose brother attends the Naval Academy; and a very fair and honest account by Emily Haney-Caron, a self-described anti-war liberal whose fiancé attends West Point. To these voices I would like to add my own—as a graduate of the Naval Academy and a current student at Columbia.

Leppla’s unfounded accusations against my alma mater cannot go unanswered. I do not question Spectator for publishing a piece dripping with contempt for the military—rather I question how thoroughly these allegations of fraud and deceit were examined in the editing process. Leppla intimates in her piece that academy recruiters are hoodwinking gullible young men and women into joining the military by promising an “elite college education” where they can “learn history, economics, political science, and even engineering,” and where they take “seminars about leadership and selflessness.” And then, next thing they know, they are in a military institution, where the leadership seminars are actually about “leading troops into combat.” Is it really surprising that the Naval Academy is a military institution focused on developing officers for the Naval service? Worse than this silly ignorance though, are Leppla’s claims that the academy and its recruiting materials falsely advertise. Such claims are easily refuted by simply examining the academy’s admissions Web page. Under the “About the Academy” section, the first sentence states in no uncertain terms that as “the undergraduate college of the Naval service, the Naval Academy prepares young men and women to become professional officers in the U.S. Navy.”

In my four years at the academy, I never met a midshipman who felt that he was deceived into joining the academy. I of course did have classmates who did not adjust well to the reality of life at the academy, with its 17-hour structured days and its strict military discipline, and who determined that this was not the life for them. Those classmates withdrew from the academy, and despite Leppla’s preposterous assertion, they did not have to undergo 13 exit interviews, including one with “the head of the Navy.”

Despite the hardships of life at a military institution, the Naval Academy, has a graduation rate of 87 percent, is one of the top ten schools with the highest graduation rates—compared to Barnard’s 80 percent. Why are these graduation rates so high if life at Navy is so trying? An ignorant cynic might suggest it is because of the free education. The reality, though, is that the vast majority of my classmates were from middle and upper-middle class families, with parents who could well afford to pay for college. Prospective midshipmen with their high SAT scores, GPAs, and athletic credentials have numerous options. I believe a sense of fulfillment keeps them in Annapolis that comes from maximizing their accomplishments in service to their country. At Annapolis, when your head hits the pillow at lights-out after a long day, you are tired and you rest well knowing you did everything you possibly could in one 24-hour period, and that you did so for a higher calling. This, and not some liberal myth of the poor exploited soldier and sailor, is what keeps our midshipmen in school, and our sailors and soldiers in the service.

To suggest that the academy is “not an elite college,” and that it is “a branch of the U.S. military” creates a false dichotomy—that an elite college and a military institution are mutually exclusive. Nothing could be further from the truth. The academy is an elite institution offering a classic liberal arts education supplemented with a mandatory engineering curriculum and classes on leadership and military professionalism. The academy is both an elite college (ranked number 20 in the 2008 U.S. News Liberal Arts Colleges rankings, 10 spots better than number 30 Barnard College, the school at which Leppla is enrolled) and a military training institution. These facets of the academy are completely complementary­—the modern officer corps needs globally savvy leaders who are both warriors and diplomats, leaders who understand both the potential and limits of military power.

Despite the tone of this piece, I am not without sympathy for Ms. Leppla, Ms. Haney-Caron, or the millions of other family members whose loved ones will soon be in harm’s way. When a citizen takes the bold step of volunteering—and every single member of today’s military is just that, a volunteer—he is also burdening his loved ones with lives filled with worry, uncertainty, and at times tragic loss. This is no small burden to bear, as my wife and parents—who suffered through my six-month combat deployments to the Persian Gulf—will gladly attest to. The answer to this understandable angst, though, is not to disparage the institutions that make a free and tolerant place like Columbia possible. Whatever one thinks about President George W. Bush, Iraq, “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” ROTC on campus, or Ahmadinejad’s speech, please do not forget:

“It is the soldier, not the poet, who gives us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the reporter, who gives us freedom of press. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us freedom to protest. It is the solider who serves beneath the flag and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who gives the demonstrator the right to burn the flag.” ~Stephen Ambrose

The author, a veteran of Operation Enduring Freedom, served in the Navy for eight years after graduating from the United States Naval Academy. He is now a student at the Law School.

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Thank you to the author of the article. It was a well written, concise response to an inane piece by a girl who does not understand what sacrifice and honor is all about. Do they teach American history at Barnard? Or better put, do they teach any other facet of American history beyond the civil rights movement? How ridiculous she sounds, and how ridiculous those of you above sound in heaping scorn on the brave sailor who wrote the article. Your comments - and the ideas behind them - are contemptible. This sailor volunteered to put himself in harm's way to support the very way of life you smugly take for granted. As you sit sipping cocoa in your dorm rooms, men and women like Podberesky are sweating in 40 lbs of gear in 110 degree Iraq...not because they supported the war, but because they supported this country. You should too. Your views are ultimately destructive, and are representative of an Ivy League elite that is distantly aloof from the world around you.

Also, to Leppla: stop masquerading as a Columbia student.

Sacrifice and honor? This this "sacrifice" comparable to the sacrifice of those hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians? Is this "honor" comparable to the how low we look to the international community? Our dishonor by our actions is more visible to me.

Blame me for being idealistic, but those lives matter to me. Those lives were not any less important than the lives of our soldiers. I am not blaming to the military, the acted under government commands to go to war. But I cannot love them for the innocent people they have killed, be in by accident or be it by anything else.

I am bringing war into this discussion because you think that we Ivy League elite are "distantly aloof." We are not as aloof as you may think, most of us are informed and involved. We care, not only for ourselves, but also for other people who live outside our borders.

All this talk about the military defending our rights is hilarious. The only claim the military makes is that they defend our lives, which (at best) is ONE of the right enumerated in the Declaration of Independence. In fact, the founding fathers had a fear of a standing army, a fear that seems pretty reasonable right now, as idiots imagine that invading Iraq or Afghanistan somehow protects our rights as an American more than diplomacy or containment would. If you want to be cowboy American who saves the world, that's fine with me, but don't argue that you're defending American rights. Because right now no soldiers are.

p.s. If you do want to be cowboy American saving the world, the better places to start would be Darfur, sub-Saharan Africa, Tibet, and the various Central Asian autocracies. Once you're done with that, then maybe I'd trust your intentions in the Middle East.

Well let's see, I could quote the piece I wrote on the first article to point out that actually these soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines do defending your rights and freedoms, or I could simply propose this...If the U.S. military were to withdraw all of its forces throughout the World there would be total chaos; whether you would like to believe it or not, the U.S. presence in the World is a stabilizing factor preventing conflict (i.e. Taiwan, Korean Peninsula). Being a graduate of the Naval Academy and having been educated in World history it is clear that any world power in history has fallen due to lack of a military or maritime force. I'm guessing that you are an individual who despises the military and its existence is grotesque to you, however it serves its purpose. The human being is flawed. Envy, one of the basest behaviors, is present in all individuals. If the U.S. were to cease forward deploying of combat forces throughout the world conflict would reign. Humans are flawed, plain and simple. If we lived in a utopia a military would be useless. No individual prays for peace more than the soldier. Oh, and by the way the Declaration of Independence doesn't grant you anything. It is merely a document stating the intentions of the colonists for separating and forming a more perfect union. The Constitution is the document that grants you rights and freedoms. So, you might want to understand civics a little more before you start making claims about who and what protects your granted freedoms and rights.

If we want a better society, we have to start from somewhere. My proposal is that we stop interfering in other people's business. Because we have cause more harm to innocent people in the process of bringing them a democracy that they don't like/understand.

I don't disagree with you on this fact, collateral damage should be avoided at all costs and this campaign has led to an unacceptable loss of civilian life. Democracy in the Middle East is an idea that I could fully support. However, with the prevalence of Islamic Fundamentalists (Islamists), the idea of a democratic society is rather impossible. These individuals do not know the meaning of the word tolerance. Tolerance is an idea that must be firmly grasped in a democracy. I know it is a hard idea, even for citizens of the U.S. to grasp in certain circumstances. But, a complete intolerance to anyone else's religious belief (one of the cornerstones of modern democratic thought) must be achieved in the Middle East before any sort of democracy can take hold. I know this may sound very demeaning, but I would contest that the West, having had a Scientific Revolution, and several periods advancing scientific thought has brought us to a point in history where democracy and the rule of reason is possible. These events were not world wide. The systems of governance in the Middle East still bear some resemblance to the Monarchies that persecuted and oppressed Europe. Match this oppression with a religion that is being corrupted by those who would use faith as a weapon and a deadly combination is what we are witnessing. The faith of the Islamists is most definitely fanatical and irrational, but it is the fact of the situation over there. Some of the insurgency is fighting for what they view as protection of their homes from occupation by American Forces. Others in the insurgency are supporting a Jihad against foreign invaders on Islamic lands. One interesting point in all of this that once a Jihad had been declared against the West and the U.S. invaded Iraq it served as a lightning rod for drawing enemies of the U.S. to fight our military. I had heard recently (within the last few months) that Islamic tradition is to defeat the enemy and then pursue the battle to the home of the enemy. If we were to withdraw from Iraq, not only would there be a collapse of order, there would also be Shiites executing Sunnis wholesale and the fighters who are being drawn to fight the U.S. in Iraq would then, in all likelihood, begin launching attacks against the U.S. mainland. We should not live in fear of these events. The individuals who are committing these acts are criminals who are using a perverted version of a peaceful religion to gain power and influence in the world not for a higher calling. If the leaders of the Islamists truly believed they were fighting for a higher calling they would not order their underlings to become human bombs, they would do it themselves. They are using a deep seated faith to manipulate young men into committing acts of violence that are nothing but criminal.

I think democracy is on the opposite liberal end from the fundamentalist government of any religion, that is why it proves to be difficult to install democracy in a region that has been used to a fundamentalist government. We should have found something in the middle. There are other forms of government that have tolerance. You cannot just give them democracy after decades of extremely conservative government and expect them to handle it. We were able to do it because we had a tradition constitutional monarchy from England and from Athens. We gradually proceeded to a democracy from that and Europe still thought we would fail. So how can it succeed in a state that never had any tradition of democratic rule. What they need now is a more liberal government than what they had in the past with some religious guidelines, gradual change is what I am advocating.

"You cannot just give them democracy after decades of extremely conservative government and expect them to handle it."
Japan had an all-powerful emperor whom his subjects worshiped until we instituted democracy there at the end of World War II. They, too, resisted, but now they are one of the foremost examples of democracy on the planet.

I agree with you entirely. The fact of the matter is that the U. S. military is not a nation building force, plain and simple especially when the nation you're trying to rebuild views you as occupiers and "infidels." I wish a more moderate form of government, similar to the style of government in Turkey could be established.

The government in Turkey is a Parliamentary Republic; it is also the most common form of democracy in the world today. Other countries with this government model include, but are not limited to Britain, France, Canada, and IRAQ (It being the form of government that the people of Iraq voted for).

Being that the Iraqis have installed a Parlimentary republic, I have yet to see it in action, and until that day comes and leaders such as Al Sadr no longer hold the extreme power over devout followers Iraq will not have freedom, the war will continue and this will require a U.S. military presence, which is sad but true

I believe the "It is the soldier..." quote is from Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC

Can you imagine how long the poem would be if it were instead:

It is the University, not the soldier who gives us... cures for diseases, computer technology, advances in engineering, etc...

Are you seriously putting "advances in engineering" on the same level as "freedom of religion?" You make me sick. This is the reason that we have a huge divide in our country between those who defend our freedoms and those who enjoy them -- you think that intellectuals like yourself are so much better than those who put on a uniform and serve in a foreign land thousands of miles from home, securing the privileges that you take for granted.

Please come down from your cross, we need the wood.

Could you shut your pie-hole? He/she is entitled to his/her opinion just as you are. Leave the sarcasm at the door.

Nowhere in my post did I equate freedom of religion...or mention freedom of religion.

I don't think I am better than anyone. I don't take anything for granted.

I'm sorry you feel such a sense of inadequacy in relation to "intellectuals".

Uh, what?

The Stephen Ambrose quote which you close with is inaccurate. Soldiers do not GIVE us any freedoms or rights. They may defend our rights and resources, but that is much different than saying they give me the right to do anything. The beauty of this country is that its founders acknowledged that our rights are not bestowed upon us by any man. We are created equal.

The Constitution states that these rights are bestowed by God. They are however protected and preserved by the soldier enacting God's will. Without the soldier, the rights disappear.

Additionally, IT IS A LITERARY QUOTE. Its use is intended to make a point, not state some technical fact. Splitting hairs is a waste of time and space.

Wrong.

The rights are always there. When the rights are threatened, soldiers APPEAR; just as they did for the revolution, the civil war and WWII. In other words, it is not necessarily soldiers in a standing army that defend our rights, there are plenty of civilians that join the armed forces when threats appear. Furthermore, soldiers in action in Iraq are not defending my freedom. That's not their fault, they've been misappropriated by a dullard president, chickenhawk Republicans and cowardly Democrats. Nonetheless, it does not follow that anyone who chooses to put on a uniform is a defender of my rights and freedoms.

Your second point is also wrong. While it may be a literary quote, the author states it as a fact when he tell me not to forget it. Unless you think he just want to make sure we memorize it, he's claiming the quote is accepted fact and the we should recognize that.

Wrong . .

Soldiers may enlist, but a standing Army needs to train volunteers, equip them and have the military science and tactics in place.

A standing Army is necessary to imposing our policies in international diplomacy (sorry, but the world is not a nice place).

The rest of your post is BS politics of which the core issue is something you seem to have little knowledge about.

The point is not that there shouldn't be a standing army in place (or the means to mobilize one). The point is that I don't owe the current standing army the recognition for my freedom of speech, demonstration, etc...as the original quote suggests I do.

"A standing Army is necessary to imposing our policies in international diplomacy (sorry, but the world is not a nice place)." <--- This has nothing to do with defending my freedom (sorry, but the world is not as interested in stripping me of my freedoms as you've been indoctrinated to believe.)

"The rest of your post is BS politics of which the core issue is something you seem to have little knowledge about." <-- It's a lot easier to dismiss me as naive than to open the facts up for debate and see who really is unknowledgeable, isn't it?

The people of Belgium once believed that the world was not interested in stripping them of their rights, as did most of the countries in Eastern Europe. Due to this belief they never maintained much of a standing military. In Belgium, they learned the hard way twice that this is wishful thinking when Germany invaded and quickly crushed them (WWI and WWII). In Eastern Europe they learned the same lessons from the Germans as well as the Soviet Union. Believe it or not, a standing military DOES PREVENT OUR FREEDOMS FROM BEING TAKEN AWAY.

What an amazing post! So, "soldiers APPEAR", eh?

Is that you, Idris?

The idea being conveyed is clear to intelligent readers.

Run along and let the adults talk, ok?

Well, why have a standing firefighting force? It's not really necessary. They're expensive to maintain, and all they do is brag about how much gear they carry on their back in 400 degree heat. If there's a fire, everyone in the neighborhood can just grab a hose. Look! A fire! Oh, wow, my neighbors have appeared, in the form of firemen! Cause firemen can just appear spontaneously without training! And how about policemen? Let's just have a vigilante posse form whenever someone's house is burgled. Or hey, why have teachers? I'm sure parents can teach their kids whatever they need to know, cause the parents probably already know it.
Come to think of it, we've tried all these in the past, and evolved away from it after realizing that having professionals in place, all the time, is a much better system. What happens when these things have to "appear"? Cities burn down, vigilantes conduct lynchings, and we fall into a medieval-style caste system where a son learns his father's trade, ending social mobility.
We've evolved past the tendencies to want our protectors to "appear" whenever we want them to, whether they be protectors from fire, crime, ignorance, or, in the case of the military, the destruction of our way of life. Naturally, we are reluctant to have a standing army, a force always ready to visit harm on anyone who threatens us, but we've realized since WWII that such things are necessary. Because it was only good fortune that our standing force of aircraft carriers were not destroyed by the Japanese. And aircraft carriers don't simply "appear."

With respect to the Ambrose quote, Anonymous seems to be confusing "rights" with "freedoms". Rights are inherent. Freedoms are not. Freedoms often have to be won, and then defended.

Given the choice of not defending freedoms, then losing them, then raising an army, and winning them back (then, I assume, repeating the whole process again), versus maintaining a standing army and defending already won freedoms, I choose the latter. Especially when the cycle can take decades. Just ask the people of Poland, the Czech Republic, or Ukraine.

I'm sure other free societies, especially those who still have citizens who remember tyranny, would agree.

Ambrose was right. While these truths may "be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights", our freedom to exercise those right was won by soldiers with blood soaked rags instead of shoes covering their feet. Those freedoms were again defended time and time again, against various enemies who do not respect those rights, and wish to strip us of our freedoms to exercise those rights.

"Those freedoms were again defended time and time again, against various enemies who do not respect those rights, and wish to strip us of our freedoms to exercise those rights." <--- This has happened very rarely and the last time it happened was WWII. When WWII began the US had a smaller standing army than Romania. Not only did that standing army have little to do with preserving my rights/freedoms, they would be only a very small portion of the fighting forces once the civilian population mobilized. In refutation of your second paragraph, the standing army played only a very small role in defending our already won freedoms.

Of course soldiers fought and died for our rights; however, it does not follow that every soldier in uniform today is entitled to recognition for that fact. It is very irritating to civilians like myself to be told that I owe gratitude to current soldiers who have 1) joined the service voluntarily, just like I could do in the event that our rights were truly in peril 2) exercised deadly force in my name for a cause that definitely does not promote my freedom or safety in the world (Iraq) 3) never faced (and probably never will face) any peril whatsoever in their normal duties (90% of the Navy) and 4) probably joined for, in at least some part, their own self-serving reasons (training, discipline, escape).

However, if you look at the names of the heroes of WWII, the leaders who executed the war plan which brought us the victory that preserved your rights, you will find that they emerged from the standing army that had been in place long before Hitler annexed Poland. Now, if you say the brains behind the victory had "a very small role" in it, then you should probably stop thinking now, cause it's clearly overrated.

Substitue: teacher, fire fighter, polceman, etc) for soldier in your analysis . . . and yep, ones such as yourself will go on to private busines, law, science or the media, you will be above those who have chosen to make the country better educated, the streets safe, protect your house and business from fire and defend your country. They do not deserve your gratitude.

BTW, I think your 90% of the Navy not ever being in peril is high, consider medical units (medics) serving with Marines, Marines, Riverines, SEALS, EOD, the list goes on. But selfish folks only consider themselves and do not bother researching or being aware of what they criticize, do they?

Marines are not in the Navy, just ask one. ( And yes, I know what department they fall under).

Your first paragraph reveals a lot about your sense of inadequacy in relation to college grads. That's your problem and no one else's.

Thank you for making the point about teachers, firemen and police because it actually reinforces my original point. Never have I heard a fireman say "Your house didn't burn down last night, thank me." Or a policeman say "You didn't get burglarized last night, thank me." Or a teacher say "You know how to read, thank me." But guess what, if you scoll through the hundred of comments relating to the this column and the one which motivated it, you will it repeated in one form or another: "You didn't lose your freedoms last night, thank me."

It's not that these folks don't deserve gratitude and recognition for doing their job well (the list of professions that don't get enough recognition is a very long one) it's that that many show no hesitation to ask for applause.

As a military member I could care less whether people thank me or not (although many do). I could care less if someone criticizes the military, or if they don't think highly of the Academies and even if they write about their dislikes.

However, as a college graduate, I am offended if a given criticism is blatantly fallacious, because there is no place in academic discourse for arguments based on shoddy (or no) research and outright wrong assumptions, as Ms. Idris' article is an example of. It demeans us all. A liberal arts education is supposed to prevent that. What is happening at Barnard?

No one is saying, "Thank me." They are just trying to defend themselves against an unwarranted attack by people who are totally unappreciative of the sacrifices made every day by hundreds of thousands of Americans. When was the last time firemen got criticized for doing their job the way the military does? And I don't mean criticism of abuses by the military or mishandling of the War -- that kind of criticism is perfectly fine. I mean getting called a "baby killer" as I walk down the street in uniform.

How are you to say if people are unappreciative? Why can't I be both critical and appreciative? Why is that there so many folks like yourself that are so quick to dismiss those who have any qualms with the military as spoiled, ignorant ingrates?

And you must admit, even if there were people spitting on veterans of calling them baby killers today (which I don't believe there are), these folks would represent the very fringe of the extreme and not the typical civilian.

I can you've jumped over here too. Well I'd like to add to this debate the fact that the uniform may not instantly grant the right to say that a member of the military is defending your freedoms. However, upon taking the oath of office (...I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic, and that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same....) they are essentially taking an oath to lay down their lives in defense of an ideal. Therefore, they are defending your rights and are entitled (I hate that word by the way) to some manner of thanks for doing their job. With regard to their self-serving reasons, everyone in the world is acting in their own self-interest. If you really want to get down to it, people who volunteer in the Peace Corps are indeed sacrificing their time and abilities for the greater good, however, they get an amount of satisfaction in what they do, so therefore it is a self-serving reason. So, I would argue that we are all selfish in our own right and to highlight this fact is somewhat ludicrous since we all exhibit this behavior in every decision we make.

So then, does it follow that if I join the army this afternoon and take that oath that I am entitled to your thanks for the following?: Freedom of speech ,freedom of press, freedom to protest, right to burn the flag.

Is that the case even if my service amounts to nothing more than 2 years of, let's say, recruiting new soldiers?

What if my service includes acting as an instrument in a war that is later proven to be detrimental to our interests, safety and preservation of our freedoms?

What about if my service includes shooting college protestors in Ohio? (That's probably a tricky one.)

Well being that I am a commissioned officer in the Navy and currently attending medical school to give care to those in harms way I would welcome you to the Armed Services as a brother-in-arms. You clearly don't understand what point I am trying to make. I'm saying that every individual of the military supports the objective of the whole. The military is a big team. I hope you know what it means to be part of a team. I imagine you do. So, along that line of thinking, even a recruiter does his or her job to the best of their abilities in support of the mission. The mission is not defined by military leaders. Not to get all high and mighty and quote more literature, but,"War is a continuation of politics by other means"- Von Clausewitz. The military is an instrument, within the U.S. system, of the civilian government. Our government was designed specifically so the military would be controlled ultimately by civilian appointed leaders. Therefore, any campaign the military is involved in is not determined by the military but by public policy makers. So, in any conflict where a war is proven to be detrimental to our inerests, safety and freedoms you need to look no further than the existing government. This has been the case in the "good" wars (World War I, World War II) and the "bad" wars (Korea, Vietnam). The elected government is ultimately the deciding authority when it comes to the decision to implement the military. Oh, and to comment regarding the Kent State shootings, those individuals were National Guard members and not part of the U.S. Army. Which is controlled when deployed within the U.S. by the Governor of that particular state. So, in that case you wouldn't be joining the active duty military. You would become a National Guard member and be assisting more in natural disasters and other situations where aid is needed and only be used to support the U.S. Army in time of need.

I'd continue debating you but you're too reasonable for me to have any fun with. I'll keep picking on the guy who called me Idris though.

Thank you for your service...you're a credit to your unit.

Cheers

He ended the op-ed with the quote...I couldn't help myself.

If the Navy, Army or Blackwater did "things", they would be acting under civilian command. Civilians devise policies. Belittling a military eduction or the military is missing the point. sin-ming shaw CC'67

Wow—it's astounding that this debate is still raging. Idris Leppla has been thoroughly stigmatized; her editorial soundly discredited (both in print and online). All well and good, but let's call it a day on this one, eh? Every time someone posts another boilerplate attack against her, it makes the whole backlash look less like a cogent response and more like frothy-mouthed obsession.

If you've got something new to add, fantastic. If not, let's move on.

Brilliant!

Thank you for your intelligent rhetoric against "ignorant" comments made by Idris. It is interesting to me that you should use the OP ed. section to lash out against another student who had written in the OP ed. section. It is perfectly your right to do so, and it is your right to see things differently from her, but it is not your right to repeatedly call her ignorant and accuse her school in general because of her opinions. Barnard came out in number 30 without submitting any statistics to the US news and World Report, so they had no data to base it on. Also, Barnard dropped out of the ranking system last year, so it was wrong of the US news to put it on the ranking in the first place. Idris goes to Barnard College of Columbia University and like all other Barnard girls, she has most likely taken courses at Columbia that she did very well on. She is the VP of Barnard student government, so I would not question her intelligence, neither question Barnard's. Barnard is still one of the historic female foil (sister college) of the male Ivy Leagues, that is what makes it traditionally elitist and competitive, with all due respect, the Naval Academy is not elitist or competitive in this sense.

It is true she made a judgment about the Naval Academy, but for you to point to Barnard and it's data-less ranking in return is not intelligent. I would not have expected this from a Columbia Law School student, but then, you are just an individual and do not represent the whole law school that is one of the top 5 in the nation.

Please tell me this writer is 12 ... or maybe writing skill are not evaluated for entry?

Additionally, I was not writing anything official. It is merely a set of ideas that I wrote as a comment on the article. I am sorry it is not to your liking and that it encouraged you to attack me personally.

I am not the one writing the article here, so my writing skills should not be the focus.

"Elite" is a generally positive way to describe a school. "Elitist" is a generally negative way to describe onel. FYI

I correct myself: I meant elite. Thank you for pointing that out, though it was not said in a very respectable manner.

Respectable? I think you mean respectful. Or are you suggesting the poster was improperly dressed or something?

Respectful, I think you have proved your point. I tend to make those errors in English because I speak 5 other languages.

Is that an excuse? Perhaps more time should be spent practicing the English language before one writes a posting in English and then gets his/her panties in a bunch because someone dares correct the error. Most intellectuals actually appreciate constructive criticism. "5 other languages"- maybe Barnard is elitist...

That did not sound constructive to me. But it definitely was critical. I acknowledged my mistake and acknowledged you were right. When I was writing my comment, I was not thinking, oh I must have perfect grammar and choice of words... I was thinking that I am a person and I have a right to express my views about an unfair attack on someone else. Neither did I think that I needed to be a champion in the English language just to express my opinion. My opinion, if you permit to believe this, was pretty clear in English, even though I am not so articulate. For (maybe I should not start a sentence with for?) you to tell me that I need to be better in English just to express my opinion seems rather harsh.

Two more questions:

1. Can non-English speakers not have opinions?

2. If I, the not-so-good-English speaker was to write in the native language (where I could have been better in grammar and word choice), would readers or you have understood it (considering that it is not spoken so much in the West)?

No one is answering.

Okay, I'll answer. While indeed a command of grammar and vocabulary have no bearing on your right to post an opinion, the facts on which your opinion are based are certainly open to comment. You object to a critical response to Ms Leppla's editorial piece by saying she has a right to express her opinions. True, but despite many claims to the contrary, that is not what she did. She presented blatant inaccuracies as fact, and offered conclusions based on falsehoods. To then claim "it's just my/her opinion and I'm/she's entitled to it" is disingenuous and cowardly. A perfectly defensible column about a family's growing realization of the consequences of a son's choice could have been written, but it wasn't. Instead Ms. Leppla wrote a peculiar, self-centered and self-serving attack on an institution every bit as "competitive and elite" as her own school, and used untruths to support it.

Having said that, I agree that one's grasp of the English language shouldn't be an issue, unless it led you to misinterpret what was being expressed in the first place, which may indeed be the case.

Paul Johnson rules. Word.

Holler

The only real comment I have is that I'm a little bit tired of Barnard constantly getting shit from everyone. It's a good school, they dropped out of the ratings in case you missed that memo, and for the love of all that is holy, STOP CALLING IT "BARNYARD." Talk about respect.

What you are forgetting is that this article was a response to an attack on the Naval Academy. It is not unreasonable for the original attacker's school to be compared to the institution which she attacked.

Lulz. Higher calling! Oh thank you Officer Navyman for keeping the seas safe from pirates and Russians and transporting bombs and troops so we can occupy other nations.

But seriously, let's be reasonable here. A military can defend a country, but only from another military. After that they're a superfluous drain on the economy and on human life. What nation are we at war with again?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200...

Still think the Navy would be a Superfluous drain on the economy if this had been an American flagged and owned ship? I can hear the protests now from the families of the crew, but not after they are drowned out by the Libbies claiming that if we had done the right thing with Somalia in the first place, something like this would not have happened.....wait a minute....didn't that happen on "The Greatest US President Ever, William Clinton"s watch?

Go ahead,....re-but that Idris.

Following this "reasonable" logic, a policeman is only needed when someone is breaking into my house or doing somethinge else to me or mine. . .so fire the cops until I need one. Removes a huge drain on our economy.

Truth be told, I pity individuals such as yourself who make scathingly ignorant and unfounded remarks against this nation's military. You have that luxury. Yes, the U.S. Navy keeps the seas safe from pirates to ensure the security of international shipping all over the world and yes, the U.S. Navy does protect the nation from foreign threats in order to keep any potential conflict far from our home shores. And finally, yes, the U.S. Navy does even transport "bombs and troops" to support forces on the ground but "seriously, let's be reasonable here"...the U.S. Navy also actively provides humanitarian aid around the globe as well as engaging in drug trafficking interdiction in addition to many other noble missions. Is all this truly the "superfluous drain" you speak of?

No my dear Sir the Highest calling in the land is to stand up for what it is you really do believe in and that is great-"Freedom". Something we take for granted at times. Don't want to make this a political topic certainly not, actually want to express gratitude for those that step up to the plate to keep us safe from harms way and protect our way of life. The military soldiers deserve better from us and only ask to give them the respect that they so deservingly earn everyday in Afganistan and Iraq while American blood continues to spill in middle east. We are a Nation at War like it or not. The only drain is the loss of good Americans at War that should be honored and respected for there bravery.

Thank you Mr. Poderesky for your intelligent response to the extraordinarily childish Idris Leppla article. And while I'm at it, thank you sir for your service to our country, your patriotism, and your presence at Columbia. I hereby nominate you for next year's Nobel Peace Prize! : )

Thank you for setting the record straight. As a Columbia College grad please know that I have the utmost respect for you and all military personnel. I am shocked and disgusted that the Spectator published the drivel that you refer to in your editorial. You acquitted yourself very well though, and made Ms. Leppla look like a stupid Barnyard moron. The very idea that someone from Barnard would try to cast dispersions on the education of a Naval Academy is laughable. I'm glad to see that this response was published so that Spec readers can see the other side of the argument, something that has been severely lacking in the past.

I agree that the article was well written, well argued, and insightful. The only flaw I see in an otherwise stellar article is the tenency to take cheap shots at Barnard. The author is (deservedly) eager to defend the Naval Academy against Ms. Leppla's accusations, but he does it by demeaning another school, and you are quick to follow. Keep in mind that just as Ms. Leppla doesn't speak for the average student at the Naval Academy, it's also unfair to protray her as the model for all Barnard students.

Since when are facts "cheap shots"? Ms. Leppla's article clearly brought into question the academic validity of the Naval Academy, and Mr. Podberesky's article refuted such claims by comparing them to the institution which she hails.

I would like to Thank you for setting people straight on the truth about the Naval Academy and the brigade of Midshipmen. I completely agree that most of these kids are attending the academy for a greater calling then just going to a regular university. My son attends the Naval Academy and is Class of 2011. He had the the opportunity to enroll in any of the universities that he was accepted to. At the end of the day he elected to attend the Naval Academy for its engineering program considered by many to be one of the best in the nation. At the same time having the honor to serve his country to protect our most sacred priviledge and that is our way of life in this democratic country. Whether you agree or disagree we are a Nation at War and those who have answered the greater calling to serve in the military to protect our way of life deserve our support and gratitude for that service. Kudos to you for standing up to people who have no clue about what it is they are talking about. Especially having no expereince or specfic reference on the topic. GO NAVY...........

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